WHILE WE WORRY MIAMI BEACH RESCUE

WHILE WE WORRY MIAMI BEACH RESCUE NOT BUSY WITH MIAMI BEACH WHEN SURFSIDE CALLS IN SOS.

In the event that you missed it, underneath is the caught content of an extremely thought-moving, contemplative talk with Nick Christi, a province firefighter. The talk crossed three days, between the sixteenth and eighteenth of June. For all to peruse when you get a chance, take heart.

The equation that was utilized to evaluate the extent to which it cost miami dade to react to surfside was fake. To compute number of calls by the amount is paid is wrong. It is more like what is your biggest target danger (sanctuary, tall building, and so on..) and what are the expenses to administration it in the occasion there is an occurrence. On the off chance that there is skyscraper fire we realize that 10 units are going to react, the expense of giving that administration to Surfside is likely $15 million. Ascertain each one blaze truck costing $2 million a piece to have on the go 24/7.......you get 6 of those on a tall building episode. At that point you have the 2 salvages which are about $1.5 million to staff...you get 2 of those...then you get 2 boss officers which is presumably a million for both.

Perceiving how there has been little discuss blazes, lets concentrate on the WMD issue.

Concerned Resident: Nick, you make great focuses, If you are a Surfside occupant please email your musings to the chairman, director, lawyer and commission or talk at a commission meeting. Lamentably I think it is a done arrangement as the chairmen psyche is made up and he has essentially made a guarantee to mb to bring the $2milion. Sad to be so critical however I know the man and the way things are carried out in MB excessively well. But....at minimum you are on record for indicating out the actualities that tragically will be overlooked.

scratch christi: Is your police power concerned with a conceivable assault on a religious office or would it say it is an occasion not liable to happen....do the places of worhsip have beefed up security to pay special mind to potential terrorists to figure out whether a potential danger is fake or not? On the off chance that either gathering takes it as an authentic concern, than by what method would you be able to bar the most imperative reaction part to a WMD incident.....fire & Rescue.

It is not past the point of no return and that is a piece of the motivation behind why the province is changing the mandate as it identifies with escaping from the Fire District. It truly a neighborhood issue?

Bluemango: This commission is resolute to siphon all our administration needs off to Miami Beach.. given that both the leader and bad habit chairman hail from the Beach. It would be fascinating to learn if province will win in the matter. I simply can't see Beach having the assets and labor to react to Surfside in the situation when the entire boundary island has been influenced by a regular debacle or, has been crushed just to some extent, - without taking into consideration a WMD strike.

You ought to know your expert information is truly acknowledged Nick. No its not only a nearby issue, to answer your inquiry. We realize that.

Protection Question: Will our protection rates run up or down with this change?

Bluemango: What I think about protection is that my executors ask how far my reaction station is. I asked my executor for what valid reason and he said the safety net provider guage separation to reaction time. Duplicates of your protection structure demonstrate these inquiries. I had committed an error from the start and let him know my station was 2 miles away. My quote returned $1,000 more than when I had redressed my error...actually turned it toward MAPQUEST and acknowledged Haulover is around a mile away...that was a lesson in Homeowner's Insurance shopping.

scratch christi: As far as protection rates, the primary component is area of flame hydrants in your area....i don't have a clue about the iso arrangement of Mbfd....i would be astounded if there is any distinction between the 2 suppliers as long as there is a hydrant inside 1000 feet of your home.

Bluemango: That is likewise tended to as a quesiton on my Homeowner's protection application.

scratch christi: It will be fascinating to check whether the province predominates on the statute change. On the off chance that the area releases Surfside, will they then take a gander at an alleviation system, which is the loss of cash to the Fire District from Surfside leaving.....much like what happened with new urban communities that fused. The loss of Surfside is not a neighborhood issue as it effects somehow the remaining regions as of now accepting administrations by the County Fire Rescue. On the off chance that they lose different urban communities then that misfortune would need to be counterbalanced to the remaining urban areas and Unincorporated Dade. Along these lines, if Surfside is permitted to go, is that simply a vote that ought to happen just in Surfside or to all voters accepting administrations from Miami Dade?

On the off chance that a zone of Surfside decided to de-attach from Surfside, would they be permitted to vote just on the issue or all occupants of Surfside? On the off chance that at the end of the day, urban communities withdraw from the area, who is abandoned to be the administration that can assemble countywide to manage significant episodes? Nearby urban communities would say, 'Not in my city; Not my worry'. The extent that Surfside goes, who is more prone to be in your group or closest to your group, the Beach or the County? Do you truly see the Beach firefighters shopping at your Publix? ...This is signifcant on the off chance that the neighbor down the road stops breathing....the region firefighters would be adjacent yet wouldn't react in light of the fact that they wouldn't hear the calls, considering that the Beach would be the blaze salvage supplier.

Charliethink: Thank you Nick for your contemplations. Yes history has proven time and again that Surfside is acting alone and disregarding the wellbeing diversions of our neighboring towns. Furthermore Yes MDFD is tremendously unrivaled in supplies, labor and crisis preparing. What's more yes in a genuine crisis Miami Beach will act in their best diversions abandoning us to fall once again on a diluted MD benefit because of our hauling out, however hey Nick......politics is legislative issues. My profession with MB rests in my conveying this $2m

Surfside

Surfside is a town in Miami-Dade County, Florida, United States. The population was 4,909 at the 2000 census. As of 2005, the population recorded by the U.S. Census Bureau is 4,710.

As of the census] of 2000, there were 4,909 people, 2,248 households, and 1,330 families residing in the town. The population density was 9,721.8 inhabitants per square mile (3,790.8/km²). There were 3,059 housing units at an average density of 6,058.1 per square mile (2,362.2/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 93.50% White (52.7% were Non-Hispanic White,)[4] 1.28% African American, 0.04% Native American, 1.16% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.51% from other races, and 2.49% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race was 43.53% of the population.

There were 2,248 households out of which 20.5% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 46.6% were married couples living together, 9.6% had a female householder with no husband present, and 40.8% were non-families. 32.9% of all households were made up of individuals and 15.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.18 and the average family size was 2.75. In the town the population was spread out with 16.3% under the age of 18, 4.5% from 18 to 24, 29.3% from 25 to 44, 24.0% from 45 to 64, and 25.9% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 45 years. For every 100 females there were 86.9 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 86.4 males.

The median income for a household in the town was $50,927, and the median income for a family was $56,327. Males had a median income of $47,147 versus $39,181 for females. The per capita income for the town was $38,375. About 6.7% of families and 11.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.4% of those under age 18 and 7.9% of those ages 65 or over. As of 2000, Spanish was spoken as a first language by 49.40% of residents, while English was spoken by 42.10% of the population. Other languages spoken included Portuguese 2.36%, Russian 2.04%, German 1.39%, Yiddish 1.39%, and French, which was the mother tongue for 1.28% of the population.

As of 2000, Surfside had the twentieth highest percentage of Brazilian residents in the US, with 1.60% of the US populace It had the twenty-third highest percentage of Colombian residents in the US, at 4.66% of the town's population, as well as the twenty-third highest percentage of Cuban residents in the US, at 20.15% of the its population. It also had the thirty-fourth most Peruvians in the US, at 1.47%, while it had the eleventh highest percentage of Trinidadians and Tobagonians, at 1.30% of all residents . Surfside's Venezuelan community had the eleventh highest percentage of residents, which was at 1.41% of all residents.

Surfside, California

Surfside (or Surfside Colony) is a small gated community with three rows of houses, lettered A, B, and C. Surfside is part of the city of Seal Beach, California and is located on the west side of Pacific Coast Highway, southwest of the Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach between the station and the Huntington Beach community of Sunset Beach. It is also near the Huntington Beach community of Huntington Harbour. The southern entrance to the Surfside Colony is easy to spot by the water tower (which was built into a house) that can be seen from Pacific Coast Highway.

The Surfside Colony is served by the Surfside Colony Community Services Tax District and the Surfside Colony Storm Water Protection Tax District. Lifeguard services are provided by the city of Seal Beach.

"COST FORMULA USED BY SURFSIDE OFFICIALS FAKE! " - A FIREFIGHTER'S INSIGHT

A SINGLE CONDO OR PLACE OF ASSEMBLY INCIDENT CAN SADDLE COMMUNITY WITH UNEXPECTED INVOICE OF MILLIONS OVER AND ABOVE AD-VALOREM TAXES;

WHILE WE WORRY MIAMI BEACH RESCUE NOT BUSY WITH MIAMI BEACH WHEN SURFSIDE CALLS IN SOS.

In case you missed it, below is the captured text of a very thought-inspiring, introspective chat with Nick Christi, a county firefighter. The chat spanned three days, between the 16th and 18th of June. For all to read when you get a chance, take heart.
The formula that was used to figure out how much it cost miami dade to respond to surfside was fake. To calculate number of calls by how much is paid is inaccurate. It is more like what is your largest target hazard (temple, high rise, etc..) and what are the costs to service it in the event there is an incident. If there is high rise fire we know that 10 units are going to respond, the cost of providing that service to Surfside is probably $15 million. Calculate each fire truck costing $2 million a piece to have on the go 24/7.......you get 6 of those on a high rise incident. Then you have the 2 rescues which are about $1.5 million to staff...you get 2 of those...then you get 2 chief officers which is probably a million for both.


Seeing how there has been little talk about fires, lets focus on the WMD issue.

Concerned Resident: Nick, you make good points, If you are a Surfside resident please email your thoughts to the mayor, manager, attorney and commission or speak at a commission meeting. Unfortunately I think it is a done deal as the mayors mind is made up and he has virtually promised MB to bring the $2milion. Sorry to be so cynical but I know the man and the way things are done in MB too well. BUT....at least you are on record for pointing out the facts that unfortunately will be ignored.

nick christi: Is your police force concerned with a possible attack on a religious facility or is it an event not likely to happen....do the houses of worhsip have beefed up security to look out for potential terrorists to determine if a potential threat is fake or not? If either party takes it as a legitimate concern, than how can you exclude the most important response component to a WMD incident.....Fire & Rescue.

It is not too late and that is part of the reason why the county is changing the ordinance as it relates to getting out of the Fire District. It really a local issue?

Bluemango: This commission is adamant to siphon all our service needs off to Miami Beach.. given that both the mayor and vice mayor hail from the Beach. It would be interesting to learn if county will prevail in the matter. I just cannot see Beach having the resources and manpower to respond to Surfside in the case when the whole barrier island has been affected by a natural disaster or, has been devastated only in part, -- let alone a WMD strike.

You should know your professional input is very much appreciated Nick. No its not just a local issue, to answer your question. We know that.

Insurance Question: Will our insurance rates go up or down with this change?

Bluemango: What I know about insurance is that my agents ask how far my response station is. I asked my agent why and he said the insurer guage distance to response time. Copies of your insurance form show these questions. I had made a mistake at first and told him my station was 2 miles away. My quote came back $1,000 more than when I had corrected my error...Actually looked it up on MAPQUEST and realized Haulover is about a mile away...That was a lesson in Homeowner's Insurance shopping.

nick christi: As far as insurance rates, the main factor is location of fire hydrants in your area....i do not know the iso classification of MBFD....I would be surprised if there is any difference between the 2 providers as long as there is a hydrant within 1000 feet of your home.

Bluemango: That is also addressed as a quesiton on my Homeowner's insurance application.

nick christi: It will be interesting to see if the county prevails on the ordinance change. If the county lets Surfside go, will they then look at a mitigation strategy, which is the loss of money to the Fire District from Surfside leaving.....much like what happened with new cities that incorporated. The loss of Surfside is not a local issue as it impacts in some way the remaining areas still receiving services by the County Fire Rescue. If they lose multiple cities then that loss would have to be offset to the remaining cities and Unincorporated Dade. So, if Surfside is allowed to go, is that just a vote that should occur only in Surfside or to all voters receiving services from Miami Dade?

If an area of Surfside chose to de-annex from Surfside, would they be allowed to vote just on the issue or all residents of Surfside? If at the end of the day, cities opt-out from the county, who is left behind to be the service that can mobilize countywide to deal with major incidents? Local cities would say, 'Not in my city; Not my concern'. As far as Surfside goes, who is more likely to be in your community or closest to your community, the Beach or the County? Do you really see the Beach firefighters shopping at your Publix? ...This is signifcant in the event that the neighbor down the street stops breathing....the county firefighters would be nearby but wouldn't respond because they wouldn't hear the calls, considering that the Beach would be the fire rescue provider.

CharlieThink: Thank you Nick for your thoughts. Yes it is true that Surfside is acting alone and ignoring the safety interests of our neighboring towns. And Yes MDFD is vastly superior in equipment, manpower and emergency training. And yes in a real emergency Miami Beach will act in their best interests leaving us to fall back on a watered down MD service due to our pulling out, but hey Nick......Politics is politics. My career with MB rests in my delivering this $2million dollars.

Joe G: To think of Surfside going it alone regarding Fire & Rescue seems the wrong way to go... Surf/Bal/Bay (possibly Indian Creek) banding together, should be a key element to a solution.

SeeItComing: Sooner or later Surfside will be part of Miami Beach. It is the Mayor's wish and his 7 marionettes will make sure it happens.

nick christi: Interesting that you would think that the other communites would be interested in a joint venture regarding fire rescue with Surfside. The battle over road closures, and then the thought that if the county built a fire station in Surfside it would only be to serve those communities at your expense.

Plus, how could you get Bal Harbour with the mall and high rises to say that they too are unhappy with the service they get when the fire station is next door to them. Or Bay Harbour Islands which has a town that goes to the west which has fire service also on the other side of the bridge.

The county units will still be next door in Bal Harbor, and Indian Creek and Bay Harbor islands.

As far as law enforcement is concerned when there is a large incident, there is an abundancy of resources up to and including the national guard. There is no such thing for Fire & Rescue other than the county......which is why the county is called to back up the Beach when the Beach has a large incident and need units both at the scene and to cover their fire stations.

How could a Bal/Bay/Indian Creek/Surfside combo put together a fire department that would have at least two fire trucks and two rescues (minimum) to handle daily incidents? Not to mention the "bog one" which does not occur on a frequent basis in terms of bog should be big; there being an actual fire but on a regular basis where people think there is a fire such as a burning pot on the stove or a smell of smoke inside the building. All of those require a mass deployment from the get-go in the event that it is an actual fire that is not contained by the sprinkler system.

I can accept the idea that you should be free to decide what you want to do, but when it goes bad (and history has shown that it will go bad), don't call the county because of your lack of planning and financial commitment.why Should i have to pay for extra food in my fridge to have in case you run out of food in your fridge when unexpected guests arrive? I guess that is an odd analogy, but it makes the point of "okay, pack your bags and let me get on with my life while you get on with yours."

Bluemango: The mayor and most of the commissioners do read this blog, Nick. I hope your very insightful information weighs in on their decision... if at all that means anything. I too feel it's not too late, since we have a contract till April and the County Ordinance to contend with at some juncture.

nick christi: The comment about the street closures was just an example where two different towns are unable to agree on an issue..... the logistics of getting all the local towns to get out of the fire district and then create a special taxing district to fund the new fire dept and then hire fire officials and employees and then the equipment, and of course, find a central location for the fire station.

Due to the growth in Sunny Isles, Station-21 will always be a multi-unit facility the way it was long before there was growth in Sunny Isles. Plus, all thats happening is a full circle to the way it was when all of these towns had their own fire departments. County firefighters don't leave the county to work for city fire departments, city firefighters leave to come work for the county.

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